The Gentlemen Project Podcast
Bi-weekly podcast highlighting impactful stories of parents and what they do to be successful at home and at work. Helping you turn the time you have with your kids into time well spent helping them learn the most important lessons in life. The Gentlemen Project Podcast is hosted by Kirk Chugg and Cory Moore-friends who are passionate about fatherhood and raising the next generation of great kids.
The Gentlemen Project Podcast
Nathan Osmond: Multifaceted Career, Fatherhood, and Life Lessons
Fatherhood and family values take center stage in our conversation as we explore the lessons Nathan imparts to his children. Drawing from his experiences and wisdom passed down from his father, Nathan emphasizes the importance of hard work, focus, and seizing the present moment. He shares personal anecdotes that highlight the significance of supporting our children in discovering their unique strengths and interests, aiming to help them build fulfilling lives. Additionally, Nathan offers insights on balancing a demanding career with family life, addressing the emotional toll of frequent travel and the necessity of active communication and empathy within family dynamics.
Throughout the episode, Nathan speaks candidly about the challenges he has faced, including the pressures of family and career. He shares motivational insights and lessons learned, such as the importance of self-reflection and growth, gleaned from his own experiences and advice from his uncle Donny Osmond. We also delve into the evolving understanding of masculinity and leadership within the family, stressing the need for men to balance work obligations with being present and supportive at home. Don't miss this opportunity to gain wisdom and inspiration from Nathan Osmond's multifaceted life experiences.
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Welcome to the Gentleman Project Podcast. I'm Corey Moore.
Speaker 2:And I'm Kirk Chug. Thanks for joining us. Corey and I kind of took the summer off and enjoyed some travel time with family, had a busy summer and we're kind of winding down here at the end of summer and we're excited to have Nathan Osmond on the podcast with us today. You may or may not be familiar with the Osmond family, but here in Utah where we're recording, they are somewhat of performance royalty and if you grew up in the 70s, 80s 90s, you know the Osmonds and if you've ever been to Vegas, you've probably seen or heard many Osmonds perform there.
Speaker 2:Nathan is a performer in his own right. He's a producer a performer, speaker, an emcee, among many, many other things.
Speaker 3:While I got you here, I'd like to tell you about Amway and how it's changed my life, just kidding.
Speaker 2:He has a nationally syndicated radio program that's number one on the network, a podcast of his own which we'll talk about that you guys can go check out. So Nathan and I met a couple months ago and we just got talking at a networking event. We took each other's time up just talking about some really cool stuff. We got pretty deep, pretty quick about things that matter and I invited him to be on the podcast and he accepted. We've got him and his schedule here that we made at work after a couple of tries and it's just an honor to have him here in studio.
Speaker 2:Tell us a little bit, for those people that know the Osmond family, where you fit into that family and some of the history that you have in performing and how you kind of got doing what you're doing today.
Speaker 3:Well, it's an honor to be here, by the way, and the number one question I am asked as an Osmond is who's your daddy, right? So my father is the oldest of the performing brothers, and I say that because I have two older uncles than my father. They were both born deaf, verl and Tom. But my father was the oldest that could hear, so he was the leader of the Osmonds that y'all grew up with. And so I grew up around television studios. I didn't know any different. I thought everybody had a television studio, you know. But all my favorite TV characters were there and I started watching my dad's reruns of the Andy Williams shows. So my brothers and I started mimicking them and we shot the VCR off and kept singing those songs in two-part harmony. And my father's like well, who taught him that? We just had an ear for it. So he started teaching the third and the fourth part and we became an acapella kind of a barbershop quartet, just like he and his brothers became way back in the 60s. Well, there was a KSL television studio here in Utah and they put us on their talent showcase they call it with Eugene Jeleznik, right and they gave us the whole show. Anyways, people Magazine found out there's this new generation of Osmonds. They wrote this little article Actually it was a pretty big article for a band that didn't have anything to show for themselves yet and Bob Hope read that that article and he says I want those boys on my show and so he called us up. In 1986 I went on the bob hope christmas special with my brothers. That was our first national television special as a group. Well, curb records saw that they loved it and says that we can make the osmonds big once. Let's do it again. So we became signed on curb records and released our first videos, which, by the way, one of our music videos was filmed in this very floor that we're on right now, called next to you. It was used to be a big kind of a warehouse building and now it's the home of a big deconstruction, which is awesome. But uh, you know, we've had a lot of fun and a lot of songs in europe. Three songs in the top 40 used to tour with new kids on the block and cover me bad and salt and peppa naughty by nature extreme, all those big 90s bands.
Speaker 3:But then, you know, I went on my mission. You know, actually I I skipped a part. We went to branson, missouri, my family and I you know, my uncle jimmy, bought a theater and we performed out there. We won the best young group of the year three years in a row. So we're in the Hall of Fame out there. It wasn't much of a career move, but my dad, who was diagnosed with MS when I was only 10, it was a good thing for him to be able to work with his brothers and have the audiences come to him. So we did that.
Speaker 3:Then I went to Chile for two years for a Spanish-speaking mission for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and when I got back the next day I was in auditions for Joseph and the amazing Technicolor Dreamco for two years. I did that for two years and then I went to school and that's where I met my wife and um after we got married. Like just less than a month into our marriage, I was doing Joseph again at Tuacon in Southern Utah, utah. And Annie, get your Gun. Well, I come out wearing this cowboy hat and chaps because I was, you know, dress rehearsal and she's like you're supposed to be a country singer. I said what you know. I told myself I'd never liked country music. I'm a convert, but I love country music now and now. I got four number one hits as a solo artist, as a country artist. I was produced by Lone Star out in Nashville. I'll tell you that story sometime.
Speaker 3:but Dean Sams of Lone Star, you know, I went out there to write with him and we wrote this song. We loved it and it was so cool. But they tied it up. I think no way.
Speaker 3:My first song I write in Nashville gets tied up by one of my favorite bands. And then two weeks later the lead singer of Lone Star, richie McDonald, announced to the band through an email that he wanted to go solo and sing gospel music. Well, they were upset, and I was too, because there goes my big chance, you know, unless you make lemonade out of lemons. And I said, well, listen, if you guys are going to record that song, you mind if I do. It's always been my dream to have my own solo, you know artist career and albums. And Dean's like why don't you come to my house and I'll produce you? And that's how I got on the doors of Lone Star in Nashville. Is he, you know their? Their big loss became my big gain, and so that's what you got to do in life is create the magic. And anyways, we've got four number ones so far and we're just going to keep doing it until we get it right, but it's fun I'm enjoying.
Speaker 3:That's kind of a nutshell my life so far, up to this point. But then you know, curve balls, talk about COVID coming in 2020. You know that shut down everything. I did 277 live events in 201 cities in 2019, and then nothing. That's right. So I got creative. I love real estate and I went to school and got my license as a mortgage loan originator. So I opened up OsmondHomeLoanscom, which is pretty fun. So now I'm licensed in six almost eight states now, and that's been a lot of fun. We've got our slogan saving the world one mortgage at a time. You know you've got to create opportunities. It was right in the middle of the refi boom and so why not? And then, of course, now the world's open and we're still got that business going. I'm still doing my music, still doing my podcasting, and now I've got a national real radio show on Brushwood media network, which is awesome, and we're like their number one show. It's fun. But I'm trying to figure out like, what do I want to be when I?
Speaker 1:grow up, you know, one of these am I going to do, or am I going to keep doing all of them?
Speaker 3:Life's a choose-your-own-adventure.
Speaker 3:You know I like that and so that's the way I look at it is. I've been so blessed to get to do so many different things, but it's opened more doors. That's what brought us together. You know, our friend Matt Moody, you know, and Pat, we all gathered together and we're finding ways to help other businesses and save them money and plug them into better services. And I have networked like crazy throughout my life and that's why my friend Matt who you know, you know, brought me on board to help them out is because I'm a connector.
Speaker 3:I love to connect people. I'm really good with puzzles, you know. We do those on Sunday, sometimes on the kitchen table. I'm like, okay, this needs to go here and this, these two need to meet. And that's what I do with people, you know, and that's that's been one of my gifts is to be able to put the right people in the right rooms. I was with a law firm yesterday connecting some, some developers and people together that are down in Florida with this group and their investors, and it's like, wow, this is fun. It's like playing chess, you know. It's like, okay, these two got to meet. But that's what I love to do is is create opportunities, build businesses. I'm an entrepreneur and I learned that from my dad.
Speaker 1:You can tell you are yeah.
Speaker 3:My father's creative you know he was the producer of the Donnie Murray show is back in the in the seventies and eighties. You know it was in the Guinness book of world records for the most watched variety TV show and I didn't know any different Cause, like I said, I thought everybody had a TV studio. My wife says I should write a book called. That's not normal, you know, but it's fun. It's fun. And, of course, you know our family has been through good times and hard times, just like any family. I think that's what bonded you and me together, kirk, is that we started talking about difficult times that we were going through and growing through, and that's what I love about podcasts is we can be open and vulnerable and talk about family things that matter.
Speaker 3:You know I didn't plan on being a podcaster. Heck. I was out teaching real estate with Kevin O'Leary from Shark Tank. You know. Every week I was out teaching with Josh Altman for a million dollar listing. I was representing these guys and their brands and I happened to be good at speaking because it was just on the form of entertainment. I call it edutainment, right, and so that was keeping me busy.
Speaker 3:She said you should be good at this life coaching stuff. I said, well, I like life coaching. Tony Robbins became a friend of mine doing these seminars. I like what he's done all these years and, all right, I'll test it out. I tried it out and now it's been going on for almost five years. You know podcasting and now it's a national radio show and I'm just grateful that people want to learn how to improve their lives. You know people that take time out to listen to podcasts cause there's a lot of talk out there. But you guys have a fantastic platform. You guys are created here and just just being invited on this show is is huge. So I'm I'm honored to be here.
Speaker 1:I have 1001 questions. Let's start with number 67. I guess kind of to maybe I don't mean to sum it all up kind of a thing, but you said you've learned a bunch of life lessons. Oh yeah, You've been through, you've done more in your lifetime, at your age, than most people probably do in a lifetime, as far as you know. Different avenues in life, different verticals, different, you know from, from entertainment to real estate, to life coaching, to podcasts, to radio, you name it Right, and on and on. So you know, if you were to sum that up, like, let's say, you're talking to your kids, right? How many? How many?
Speaker 3:kids. I have four sons or sons. I'm number two of eight boys. There's a lot of boys in the Oswego family.
Speaker 2:It sounds like another barbershop quartet, hey you know they like sports more which is my wife is grateful.
Speaker 1:So what kind of life lessons do you teach them, or what kind of things do you want? Them to take Like you've had all this life experience yeah, good and bad. All this life experience yeah, good and bad. Yeah, what? What kind of things are you say, man, I hope my kids know these things, or you know these lessons, or maybe there's something recent that you've gone through.
Speaker 3:You know, that's what I said on my first episode of my podcast is that if I only get an audience of four and those four are my sons then it was worth recording this podcast. So that's what drove me to do the podcast was that I'm not going to be around forever. Uh, as much as we wish we could be around forever, we're not. None of us listening to this or doing this podcast are going to be around forever. So the fact that we can record our life stories and share them with the world, what a neat time of life to be living in, right? So that's the motivation for me with my podcast. Is I do these for my children and I hope that someday they might listen to it. Right now they're a little too cool for dad, right? But that's okay because it's preserved and it's out there for good, and that's what I hope to do is I created something called Achieving Awesomeness. Now, and I came up with that title because you got to have a good, catchy title, just like you guys have created, right, for me, achieving suggests to the mind that it takes work, it takes effort. My father says you know, listen, I'm not just going to hand you. In the entertainment world we earned every standing ovation we ever got. We were known as the one take Osmonds on the Andy Williams shows. Because we earned that. I'm so grateful that he taught me how to work and my children are learning how to work, which is great. But I chose that word achieving, and then awesomeness. You know the Osmonds have used that word maybe because it sounds like Osmond awesome.
Speaker 3:Right, I was like I was on the set of the Donnie Marie show. But when I got off my mission in the late nineties with Dick Clark sitting next to me and I was so excited to meet him what a legend, right. And I saw him marking these little marks on a piece of paper while my uncle and aunt, donnie Marie, were up on the TV, you know, doing their thing and I had to find out what these markings meant. And their thing. And I had to find out what these markings meant. He's a pro, right, and I was like, okay, I'm a producer myself, I want to learn from the best. I said what are those markings? What does that mean? And he leaned over to me. He says every time your uncle Donnie says the word awesome, I dock him a point.
Speaker 3:So even Marie told me yeah you use that word too much Even bought a big red sign that said awesome. I put it in my office because I was supposed to think of other words other than awesome, but I figured why not embrace it? Right, you say it so much, why not make it marketing branding? Right? Achieving awesomeness. I thought I made that word up. I didn't, but I loved it. So I said achieving awesomeness. And then this Joel O. That's where I got the now part, because I love now.
Speaker 3:It stands for Nathan Osmond way or no other way than now, because I told the people, as I was promoting this podcast today on Facebook, I said listen, now is an acronym. Right, because you don't have yesterday, it's gone. Tomorrow may never come. Garth Brooks. Right, you have what's called now, and now is a gift, which is why they call it the present. What are you going to do with your present today?
Speaker 3:I said to the people watching Facebook today and that's something that I think was really appropriate to put the word now, because what we do with now affects the rest of eternity and I want my children to know that that what are you going to do with your present, with your gift? Right, because time is your greatest commodity and what we do with our time matters. I you know, you listened to my life story here real fast and that was I've done all sorts of different things. Well, good, life's full of variety and I want to experience as much of it as possible. Now are there detriments sometimes if you don't focus. Yeah, I got ADD right. My doctor says it's 80 OLST and I said what does that stand for? He goes attention deficit. Oh look, shiny things. That's what I've got right.
Speaker 3:But I have had to learn to focus and that's something I also want my children to do is find what brings joy into your life. Find what you're passionate about. Find a way to make a living doing it. I got a great friend I've had on my show named Tommy Schaaf, and he's awesome. He created Major League Sales. He loves baseball. He has the world's largest collection of baseball bobbleheads right, he owns more. He owns a part ownership in the farm where they filmed the field of dreams. This guy is uber successful, but he's found a way to create a business around his hobby. Why not do that, right? So I'm trying to encourage my children to find out what they're good at, what they love and how they can make a living doing it. How are you doing that? Just by encouragement and by trying to be a better listener.
Speaker 3:I found that raising boys is not easy. My mother did it eight times and I found that every one of my children are different, and in a good way. My oldest son was born on the autism spectrum, right, and that was. That was hard, because my mother-in-law watched one episode of Oprah and all of a sudden, she was an expert in autism. I, that bugged me, right, you want to label my only son, right? And I was a little bitter about that. And then my wife was more humble. She says, hey, let's take him to the doctor. It's not about us, it's about Zach, right? So let's take him and see what he's got. And anyways, the doctor barely looked at him. He says, oh, he's a boy, they learn slower than girls. Which was not good enough for my wife. She's like listen, we're going to take him to an expert, someone that actually cares about his future, and we'll see what he or she says. So we did and we took him to the Redwood Learning Center up in Park City, utah, and they really took the time to look at our son and study him. And she had done a lot of reading up on autism and they said we know exactly what he has. It's called PDD-NOS pervasive developmental disorder, not otherwise specified which is a very long way of saying we don't really know. We appreciated that honesty, right. My wife already knew the diagnosis because of all her studying, and so we learned about ABA therapy applied behavioral analysis, which is one of the only things that's helped autistic children. And anyways, we got some experts trained that came into our house six out of the seven days a week, every day of the week. That's expensive, but what an investment in my son because he has thrived and we're so grateful that he's very high functioning and he's got a girlfriend. Now he's working jobs. He saves money like none other, right? He's got more money in the bank now. I'm like good for you, son, right, he's got more money in the bank now. I'm like good for you, son, right. And I'm just so proud of him.
Speaker 3:But then we got our second oldest you know who loves sports and he loves. He's got a girlfriend. He's on a mission right now in Colorado and to see him develop and just the fastest kid I've seen in track. He just up and joined the track team and and started placing like never having never run track before, and I'm you know, I'm trying to encourage him. He's thinking about his future now because of his girlfriend.
Speaker 3:And then I got Sam, who loves music, and Sam, he goes under the rapper name of Quizloan. So if you want to hear some pretty cool stuff that he did on his own watching dad do what I do, quizloan he's got one called Pineapple Fanta which he just won an award for, and then he's also got one he did with his cousin, cj Rain, you know, and it's called Menace and it's awesome. You guys got to check that out. But he is just so entrepreneurial. You know, he and I, I think, are probably very, most similar because he's just constantly learning, watching YouTube videos, seeing how he can podcast, how he can. So he's I think he's watched dad a lot and and it's just very good at what he does. He just produced this great video. He's the host of a show at American fork high school and is a senior year right now and already just blowing all my editing skills out of the water. So I'm so thrilled that he's found something he loves. And then, of course, beckham is our youngest and, uh, he is just a comic genius, right, he'll probably have his own podcast someday too, but he wants to be a YouTuber. I think that's what every kid this and his age he's almost 12, you know, um, but just watching the difference in all of them Some are really outgoing, some are funny, some are witty, some are really shy. You know, zach is, you know, just keeps to himself, and that has to do a lot with what he's living with. But to see what these kids have gone through because Corbin number two, you know, after going through the emotions of autism, I was in Clearwater, florida, doing a financial conference and I said to my wife how's our little boy doing, you know, corbin?
Speaker 3:And he had been bruising a lot. She'd taken him to the doctors that day. I thought maybe he's anemic, like my wife is, and she says you ready for this? Doctor said today that the worst case scenario he could have leukemia. Oh my gosh, I lost it. Anyways, a complete miracle story I talked about on my podcast. They ruled it out. Thank heavens it wasn't leukemia, it was called ITP and what should have taken one year at least to heal was fixed in a week. Oh, wow, yeah, I mean, you can't tell me that miracles don't happen. It was just the most amazing thing. Like what's number three going to have? He's lactose intolerant, so we can deal with that. And number four is perfect.
Speaker 3:But the thing is is that they're all so unique and different that you have to deal with them in different ways. You know, I just took a road trip with my son, sam, down to St George to help a business open down there and it was just great to spend that time with them. I went down to Cedar city recently with just my youngest and bottom his first cowboy hat, like dad you know it was pioneer day and just to visit. I think that's something that I've missed out on being gone on the road as much as I was. You know and that led to some of our conversations that it was hard on my marriage when you're gone and your wife has to step up to the plate and has to be the gentleman right, the husband and the wife raising four sons on her own because you're out trying to make a living.
Speaker 3:It's hard on a relationship, and so we have gone through a lot and this is probably, I would have to say, my hardest year yet and yet it's been so blessed in so many ways too. But I have, I think, gotten a PhD in women's psychology. In the last six months I've read over 60 books just on relationships, on how to improve them, and I'm proud to say that things are getting better. They're not perfect and no relationship is perfect, but she had to go through a lot and it's hard. You guys are in business and I'm sure you travel and you you go to nice places and Instagram can be your worst enemy, because here I am thinking I'm being a good promoter, I'm keeping the buzz about Nathan Osmond going and, at the same time, my wife, who struggles with postpartum depression after every one of our childbirths, is sitting at home looking at where I'm at and where she's at, and that can cause a big division in your relationship. And it has been hard, it has been really hard, and so this year, I mean, it came to terms that she was ready to be done with me, and this is one of the first times I've talked about this publicly because I've been struggling and going through hard me and this is one of the first times I've talked about this publicly because I've been struggling and going through hard things and I've had to get people in my life that have helped coach me, and that's one thing I tell people. We all need coaching, which is why we're listening to this podcast right now.
Speaker 3:You know I called up my my uncle uh, in 2019, 20, beginning of 2020, right as the pandemic and everything was kicking in Donny Osmond. You know I call him up because I had these things inside of me. I felt like I was going to pass out, and it was always happening while I was driving and I had just gone from doing 277 live events to zero overnight. It was a shock to my system. I didn't know what the future looked like. And now a world pandemic's coming in and I'm Mr Achieving Awesomeness now, but I'm having issues and I don't know what's happening within me internally. And so I reach out to my uncle and I said hey, I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2:I feel like I'm going to pass out I'm.
Speaker 3:my heartbeat goes up and I don't. Anyway, he just started laughing and he goes. Welcome to the club, buddy, I'm like what.
Speaker 3:He said you're having panic attacks. I'm like, come on. He says you want to just come to my house and talk about it? Oh, my heck he. I sat down on Donnie Osmond's couch my uncle and spend probably about three hours with them almost. And he said, nathan, every one of us needs a safe person. I'm yours. What a blessing that is, Cause he wrote a whole book. You know, life is just what you make it.
Speaker 3:He talked all about these panic attacks and I knew he had been through a lot, having read his book. But when he broke it down for me and some of the things he learned from his own therapists and people that he paid big bucks to be there for, because he was doing that Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat for six years, and there was a night where he was not going to come out on stage, like he was broken down under a table, like crying, and they're knocking on his door Come on, donnie, you're on. Finally his wife, debbie, my aunt, comes up and visits with him and she said something to him. She said, donnie, you're on. Finally his wife, debbie, my aunt, comes up and visits with him and she said something to him. She said, donnie, you're a perfectionist. You've been forced to be a perfectionist your whole life. You've carried the weight of your brother's band as the lead singer. Everyone expected you to be perfect every single time. That's a lot of pressure on a kid. Listen, do me a favor tonight. She said go out there and do a mediocre show. It was the strangest advice he'd ever been given, because it was always like you know, hit your mark this and that, and so he had always been told the opposite, and so a mediocre show to him was an amazing show to these people. So just do me a favor, donnie, go out and do a mediocre job tonight.
Speaker 3:And he did. He said I did the best show of my life that night because someone gave me permission to have a little more fun, even on day one. The producer, he said, sat me down and took me to the front of the stage. Actually he said okay, donny osmond, look at this big theater all right here in toronto. He says what is your job? My job is to bring 110 energy every single night and to hit my mark and started.
Speaker 3:He just started being Donny Osmond and this guy laughed at him and he said Donny, you got it all wrong. He said what do you mean? I got it all wrong. I've been doing this my whole life, he says. Donny, let me explain something. The reason why these people come and sit in this dark theater and fill up these seats, paying top dollar, is for the opportunity to escape their realities for about two hours. Right, they've got a lot of stuff going on in their lives. They want to forget about it for two hours. They're paying top dollar, donnie, to come here and watch you, just to have a glimpse of the euphoria that you're experiencing up here on this stage. Donnie Osmond, your job is to have the time of your life. Wow, he says, all these years I had it all wrong. What if we took that same advice to the office on Monday To have the time of your life? Does it look like I'm having any fun doing what I'm doing?
Speaker 3:I love what I do right and even when it was hard and my whole career got put on hold and the whole world did, I had to get creative. Like I said, I created a mortgage company because I love real estate. My grandpa, George, started Osmond real estate here in Utah back in the day in 1979. He was so proud to hear that one of his grandkids was carrying on that name. I even sold women's shoes, like he did, you know. So I've done a lot of things like and I'm the first grandchild to get his name. George is my middle name out of 57 grandkids. I'm the first. I didn't even know that till his, till his funeral, but I always told him we George has got to stick together. He loved real estate.
Speaker 3:He was a developer. He created Osmond lane where he could put all of his kids. You know they can all live in the same place, but it was so fun to carry on that name, osmond. And I'm grateful for those that came before, because talk about another hard time. There's a whole made for TV movie about our family and it's weird when you see an actor playing your dad.
Speaker 3:But we were very trusting. We still are, even after all we've been through. But we've learned one thing Don't ever have a rubber stamp. You sign your checks right. Don't trust anybody.
Speaker 3:I learned that from Donald Trump Jr Because I introduced him on stage. He told me that he says Dad, my dad sat me down one time. He says don't trust anybody. Okay, and he just drilled it into me, he said. And then he said, after this big, long conversation with the Donald, he says to me no, I'm your dad, you trust me, right? He says sure, you're my dad. No, don't trust anybody. All right, a little extreme dad. But hey, he learned something.
Speaker 3:We were so trusting. We were out on the road performing, doing all this, selling 100 million records, right, and they were multi, multimillionaires. Well, the problem is is that their own bookkeepers decided to keep two sets of books on them the real books and the fake books right here. They think that we trust them. They books and the fake books right here, they think that we trust them. They were, like, related to really notable people in the community, like high up religious leaders. You got to be able to trust them, right. Well, I got to thank this lady who came clean because her husband was involved in it in that church. She comes up to my mother and says Suzanne, I'm so sorry to say this, my husband's robbing your family and that's how we found out about the two sets of books. That's crazy.
Speaker 3:And then when we found out, it was to the tune of almost $100 million. And these are 70s dollars Gone Right. You can't take it with you, Grandpa said. He called a whole family council together. He says but I'll tell you one thing we're not going to do. We're not going to file bankruptcy and leave all of these people hanging with all of this debt that these dishonest people got us into, unbeknownst to us. What's a good name worth A hundred million dollars? How are we going to do this Now?
Speaker 3:Thank goodness they invested in real estate. We owned high rises in Century City, Los Angeles. We had hotels in Alaska. They had the number one contract for nuts with the airlines, because we owned all these almond orchards, the Riviera Apartments, a bravinal hall here in Salt Lake City. We owned racket clubs. We had airplanes, we had you name it. We sold all of it, including the television studios, which is one of the reasons why they went under. It's because of this dishonest group of men that decided to take our family for a ride. But at the end of this movie, the only thing my father insisted being in the movie is the fact that the Osmonds paid back every penny. Think about that $100 million worth that they had to start all over.
Speaker 1:That's crazy and they did.
Speaker 3:I didn't know that, yeah, a lot of people don't know that side of the story. My Uncle, jay, just produced a big musical about their story over in England and the movie and everything. But even in the movie they made it look like my dad was the one making all the bad decisions. He's like why can't we just tell the truth, why don't we just tell them what happened? And so I'm grateful that his book is coming out September 28th. He's going to tell the real, true story what really happened. And he was there. He was the leader. He didn't write checks, he booked talent.
Speaker 3:We were trusting and that's one thing I've learned in business is that we've been burned because we trusted and you want to be able to trust right. But the problem is is that there are they who will take advantage when money can change you and unfortunately, even one of those guys that was involved in that was just recently in the news again doing the same thing to someone else. When people tell you who they are, believe them. Said Oprah right, I loved being on her show. That was fun. You were on that. We were on Oprah's show. It was cool. In fact, the Osmonds were voted Oprah's producers' favorite guests of all time.
Speaker 3:No kidding Out of all those guests we took it home. No, it was kind of fun because my wife was a big fan.
Speaker 2:She wanted to meet her. Tom Cruise, that's right, tom Cruise.
Speaker 3:Woo, jump on a couch, don't do that. That's Oprah's couch. No, we were just. She said all these people, they said the producers, and not one complaint. You know because my father taught us as kids. He says listen, be good to people, be good to people, never burn a bridge, always be on your best. We even had a thing that we would say television right, it was like TV, like people are watching which didn't go so well. And I've learned that lesson from watching my parents raise us is that we couldn't be real, we didn't have the permission to be a real family, sometimes in front of people, because the people were watching and there was such a pressure to be perfect and all that and that stemmed down through two and even three generations now. So we've learned the, the, the importance of being real.
Speaker 3:That's why I'm talking about my life issues on a podcast is because I have learned to let it go, just like a Disney song. Let it go. You know, if you don't share the pain with others, you don't know what they're going through. Heck, this last week I had a fan of mine reach out and I knew who it was and I was really busy, but I felt in my gut that this lady needs something in her life right now. Pick it up. This lady needs something in her life right now. Pick it up. I picked it up and this woman was on a bridge. I literally walked a lady off a bridge. Over an hour's worth of my time was so well invested because she was at that point of no return. Ah, you know, to think about what could have happened if I had not answered. And we just never know what people are growing through. And so that's why I love podcasting. I love Facebook lives. Every day I'm on it and I'm trying to share something of value, of worth, whether it's my child or that lady on the bridge or whoever it might be, that's in a lot of pain right now. Who needs a safe person? I hope to be that, Because we don't know who we're affecting through this right now. Who needs a safe person? I hope to be that Because, you know, we don't know who we're affecting through this right now. I don't know if there's someone at that same point that's struggling, but I put a song out there called Don't Go there.
Speaker 3:I recorded with Linda Davis of Country Music and that one song. I talked about it on my podcast and I get this guy from England as a DJ. He said would you send me that song? I said, well, it's not released yet. I said, well, I got a girl over here that needs to hear it. So I sent it to him and three days later he says you just saved a life. So what do you mean? He says that girl I told you about she was at that point of no return. She listened to that song and she decided to not go there. She's sticking around and it just made me cry. You know that's amazing.
Speaker 3:If that's the only good that's come out of that podcast, it was worth it.
Speaker 1:That's cool, can I? Can I go back to?
Speaker 2:yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm going to ask you to. This might be kind of hard, but I want you to go back to the travel thing you talked about and having a hard time, and maybe give advice to three people. The person who's in your seat yeah, I'm a, I travel all the time.
Speaker 1:The person who's in your seat yeah, I travel all the time. My wife hates it, right yeah, so I get that. The person in your wife's seat who's dealing with that, yeah, and the person in your kid's seat oh yeah, who's dealing with that? And maybe just kind of talk to each one of them and say, hey, this is this is what I've learned so far. Yeah, this is what I've learned so far. Yeah, we're all still learning, of course. Oh yeah, this is what I've learned so far and this is how to you know how to react to that or behave or think about the world, kind of a thing.
Speaker 3:Okay, well, I've always loved what David O McKay said.
Speaker 3:No-transcript, but I wasn't listening, I didn't realize how much pain she was in. I told her I'm willing to do it. Are you sure she was telling me I need you to delete your Facebook page? Right? Because to her I was a narcissist? And I told her listen, the only reason you see me with my face everywhere is because if I were selling toilets, all you see were toilets, but this happens to be the product I'm selling.
Speaker 3:It's hard being an entertainer because your wife thinks you're just full of yourself. And she was right. You know, I was thinking it just from a marketing standpoint. I was missing the communication that was coming at me. I didn't see till January 20th of this year what she meant when I came home from Sundance film festival here. I just been put in people magazine twice this year from that one event, being up there and networking and doing what I do best, to the point where it became the worst night of my life when she said I'm meeting with the Bishop tomorrow to see how we can be legally separated and then it got real, real fast, and that's when the Donnie conversations and other things started happening and I needed that safe person.
Speaker 3:But sometimes it was too late. If you travel a lot, I learned that you have to be aware of the emotions and the feelings of your loved ones who aren't there with you because they're seeing the glossy filters of Instagram and the Cheesecake Factory and all these beautiful locations Hawaii, heck. I did a show in Hawaii for six months. I was away from my family in 2011. You can't tell your wife oh, you'd hate it over here. Right, it's Hawaii. But I also missed out on a lot with my children and I've asked my children throughout the years, as I've traveled and done things like do you ever wish dad had not traveled so much? Oh, no, you're earning a living. And they told me everything I wanted to hear until recent years. They finally said well, yeah, I feel we kind of missed out on some stuff. I can't get that back. You know time is your greatest commodity and it's how we spend it, and not it's hard when you're in. I feel we kind of missed out on some stuff. I can't get that back. You know time is your greatest commodity and it's how we spend it and it's hard when you're in business.
Speaker 3:There's a lot of people listening to this probably travel for a living. You know it's nice having that diamond medallion status on Delta. Heck, I just got upgraded on the next two flights. But is it that cool? Is it worth missing out on this? And that my initials are N-O? I have the hardest time telling people that, though no, right, because I've been a people pleaser. One of the things that my uncle taught me in this business is that you have to be, first of all, you have to have thick skin Now I would say that to all my family. But at the same time, I have to be more sensitive and I have to listen more, because I miss some cues and it's taken me so much pain to try and heal years of being gone, you know, because I've learned a lot about masculinity. This is the gentleman project, and when your wife has to be both husband and wife and she has to be the one leading out every single night, calling everyone hey, family prayer and this and that, and then you come home for a day before you fly out again, I didn't want to interrupt what she had going on and rock the boat too much, so I just let her be the leader. Well, when I got off the road, forced to because of COVID and everything I was so used to, just letting her be the leader that turned her off.
Speaker 3:As men, we need to lead, and we need to lead with masculine energy. And the thing is, is that is so vilified nowadays in the world that it's just sick and toxic, this masculine Wrong. All these books I've been reading, I've learned that women typically like to have the man lead, and she even told me that I missed that cue. You don't lead, and she even told me that I missed that cue. You don't lead. You know? And I'm like what? First of all, I'm working like nine jobs right now. I'm doing all the dishes, I'm taking the kids to school, I'm bringing dinner home every single night. I just start doing our list right, our validation. Men love to be validated. Well, that's not what women need. I and men love to be validated. Well, that's not what women need.
Speaker 3:I've learned that when I don't talk about all the good things I've done, like mowing the grass and just letting her notice it, that's actually better. I've learned that she has been hounded by four children for the past 21 years almost, and the last thing she needs is a fifth. So I've learned to toughen up. I've learned to suck it up and embrace the suck, and it sucks sometimes because we need that. And entertainers are the worst, my therapist taught me, because if you just do it a little bit better, I'll just give you more applause. We're seeking validation, right. That's how we get paid, by applause. And when I heard that from my therapist I was like, wow, my whole life I've been seeking that. You know, my parents showered us with praise and we did a great job on stage, right, and that's how he was raised. My father and my mother was thrown into it in the 70s and it's just what they knew, right, and so I'm so grateful for the way they raised me.
Speaker 3:But I've learned a few lessons along the way that were needed for me specifically, and that was that neediness is a turnoff to your wife. So how can you get the validation without seeking it so much? All the experts are telling me you need to act like I want you, but I don't need you, right? And now that I've started traveling a little bit more, it's actually been a good thing for our relationship, you know, because it gives her a little bit of a break from this guy, so that's a good thing. So traveling can be a good thing for your relationship. Too much of anything is not good.
Speaker 3:So I've learned to listen better. I've learned to accept my challenges and own my stuff Right, because I think that we're in defensive mode. I've been very defensive sometimes of hey, well, I'm doing this and I'm doing that. There's the checklist. You're trying to be validated again, right, just shut up and listen. And I've learned that my wife being female, they're very emotional beings and that is what is. If you just take one thing away from this, it's how you make her feel.
Speaker 3:I've heard that for more programs I purchased this year and thank heavens she stuck with me because it was it was at the point of no return this year and it's tough. It is still tough. I went to bed crying, like you know, and I hear my children calling me names behind my back, which hurt because of the emotions that I was going through and the hurt that I was suffering through. I felt all by myself. You know that that was hard and I needed to step up and be the father that they deserved and they need to see the changes in me and I've always told them I love your mom more than I've ever loved her. My feelings haven't changed. But you can't force someone to love you back.
Speaker 3:And when you start realizing, yes, I was out providing for my family, but at what expense? And I've gotten better this year at telling people no, I'm not available. That's my son's birthday, that's my wife's and my anniversary, I started prioritizing the things that truly matter. What's I? Sure that would be a great business meeting or that could be a great concert you could do. You can pay 10,000 here or that. So what? This is priceless and I've had to prioritize more. My wife's noticing the difference. I've started working on myself. I've dropped almost 50 pounds now. You know my. My health got better. You know my. I woke up, thank heavens, because my A1C, I discovered, was 14.3. I don't know if you know what that means, but that's like you're about ready to go into a diabetic coma and I was diagnosed just a few years ago with type 2 diabetes. So I'm wearing this thing on my arm, this glucose reader right here. Right, I take my shot once a week and I brought it down to seven. So improvement and taking better care of me that's one thing that men need to realize is that if you're not taking care of you and you're disrespecting her too, that's a turnoff too right. You need to show her you want to be around for those.
Speaker 3:Grandkids and my father, who struggled with health, you know, when I was 10 years old got hit with multiple sclerosis, ms. He said it stands for many sons and he's got eight of them. But he had a good attitude. He says I don't know what it is. The doctors told me I have this thing called MS. I'm not going to die. I might end up in a wheelchair someday. He's got a walker and a cane and everything since I was 10. And so it was hard to watch that. But he said from day one I might have MS, but MS does not have me.
Speaker 3:Now, that's a man, right? That's a tough dude and in fact the Osmonds have a slogan that life is tough, but so are you. Tough times never last, but tough people do, and we spell it T-U-F-F. He's got a rock out in front of his house that says life is tough. This is a tough guy. This is a guy that had a black belt, trained by Chuck Norris. This is a guy that won three out of the four trophies in the army. Right, this guy is tough, but what it stands for is target. You got to have a target. What is your target? Whatever it is, write it down, know what. That is right, because it's just like the Cheshire cat from Alice in Wonderland If you don't know where you want to go, it doesn't matter which road you take.
Speaker 3:You know, as George Harrison wrote a song called, if you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there, and I've learned that in life. So I was even talking about that today. You've got to understand which is you in. Tough, understand that it's not going to be easy. Understand that it's tough. There's going to be obstacles, like autism and leukemia or ITP in your way. There's going to be marital challenges right. But what is your target? Do you understand what it's going to take to get you the happy family that you want to have that everybody thinks you have? Stop being fake, address these issues and be a man, step up.
Speaker 3:And then F? You got to focus. Right, because I've been working with Tony Robbins. He says, nathan, if you're ever in a race car and you're driving and you get into a tailspin, whatever you do, don't look at the wall. Why? Because, well, guess what you're going to hit the wall. They found that if you focus your energy and your vision down the track, that the body will naturally pull the car out of that tailspin and you'll start going where you want to go. See, our problems are those little things we see when we take our eyes off of our target or our goal.
Speaker 3:And, of course, the last one my father's demonstrated so perfectly is fight. You got to fight for what you want, because the minute that you stop fighting for what you want, what you don't want automatically takes over. And if you don't believe me, go plant a garden and just don't weed it for a day or two. Right, we have to fight for what we want. It's like the Beastie Boys for your right to party. Right, if you want to have a party, then you got to fight first.
Speaker 3:I teach my children that Work hard, play hard, balance. That's one thing I asked my father. In all those years of traveling around the world, did you ever have time to enjoy it? Sure, you sold 100 million records and all that. But now you've got MS. You know, he says son, I wish I could go back, I wish I could take it in a little more, because were always what's next, what's next, what's next? If all you're thinking about is what's next, you're going to miss the now. Remember that word. Now is all you got.
Speaker 3:So in all these years of struggling with his MS, he's come to really become this gentle giant and this teddy bear. You know, he just won pillar of the valley with my mother as well, down in Utah Valley, the biggest award in the whole valley and it was so awesome to see him recognized. But what a humble giant. He said. I am who I am because this woman, your mother, I don't want to receive this award without her receiving this award. So they gave it to both of them. And behind every great man is a better woman and a surprise mother-in-law, my mother-in-law. Her name is Debbie Reynolds. And I told the real Debbie Reynolds. I said, hey, my mother-in-law's name is Debbie Reynolds. I had to tell you that she goes. Well, I hate to bust your bubble, but my real name is Mary Frances.
Speaker 2:I said stop it, you serious.
Speaker 3:All these women named Debbie and it wasn't even your real name. You know she just laughed. We had some good times. But you know, I've been so blessed to go through and grow through so much that I just hope that somebody's taken something from this today and that you will continue to listen to this podcast and share it with your friends and apply, because that's the biggest thing too.
Speaker 3:I tell my children it doesn't matter, I can tell you all this stuff till you're blue in the face, but until you try it and apply it, you're not going to know for yourself. You know my parents. They shared their faith with me for all these years, which is why I'm a convert. You know, and I always tell that to people in church, I said by a show of hands, how many converts we have here tonight? Right, and I just smile because two or three hands go up, and then I say, okay, I'm going to ask that question again how many converts do we have here tonight? And then they get it. In life, you must apply. To know and not to do is worse than not knowing. And so I tell my children that because if you travel and or have a parent that travels, um, I hope to God that they listen to you and I hope that you're honest enough that when they ask, am I giving you enough of my time, that you'll be honest. I also hope that the spouses out there that do have husbands or wives that travel, the spouses that you can be empathetic as well, because there were times I was recording Achieving Awesomeness Now and crying my eyes out in between takes of this motivational speaker right, and I had to put on that fake guy for a little while because I didn't want anybody to know what I was growing through. I wasn't vulnerable enough to be honest enough to share the truth that I was living in that moment because I wanted everybody to just think life is perfect. It's not, it's hard, it's tough. And I tell people, repeat after me, it's hard, and they say it. And I say say it like you mean it. It doesn't sound like a motivational speaker, but once you come to grips that life is hard or life is tough, then you can embrace the suck, as they say in the military.
Speaker 3:You can get down to the business of being happy and I think that happiness as I was cast in the lead role of your good man, charlie Brown. They have this great song called you know, uh, happiness is two scoops of ice cream. We start singing about what happiness is. We all determine what awesomeness is right and I love finding out what people think awesomeness is, because you might see people and I've worked with some of the richest people, most successful people you've ever heard of, and some of them are the biggest, most frustrated, miserable people you've ever met. And yet you think they're so successful. And yet I've lived in Chile in some of the most humble situations and those people are the happiest people I've ever met. So I remember that we become what we think about most of the time. That's Earl Nightingale 101.
Speaker 3:But I learned that in doing the role of Charlie Brown because I started experiencing what my uncle said. You know that, that weight on my shoulders. I was going to be the best Charlie Brown. I got the yellow shirt, the black zigzag. I started taking acting classes, right. I started reading all the comics. I I put paper bags on my head, I cut out the eyes. You know, I said good grief everywhere I went and I started working on this one scene called the Doctor's Inn, where Lucy tells Charlie Brown Charlie Brown, you got to come out and talk about everything that's wrong with you. And he does. And so he says I'm not very handsome or clever or lucid.
Speaker 3:I've always been stupid at spelling and numbers. I've never been much playing football or baseball or stickball or checkers or marbles or ping pong. I'm usually awful at parties and dances. I stand like a stick or I cough or I laugh, or I don't bring a present, or I spill the ice cream, or I get so depressed that I stand and I scream oh, how could there possibly be one small person as thoroughly, totally, utterly blah as me? If you say those words to yourself day in and day out, how are you going to feel? How are you going to perform? I was failing math, stupid with spelling of numbers, right All these things, and finally I just I didn't. I'm not a depressed person, but I was acting like one. Charlie Brown's pretty depressed if you watch him.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 3:And so I got still. I went up to the temple where my parents were married and I just got in my Pontiac Grand Prix and I sat there just praying, meditating, and I found you've got to give yourself time out. We give it to our children Time out. Give yourself a time out for a change. Get still. My grandmother, after having a stroke, told me that she's like sometimes God compels us to be still. So I got still and in that stillness I had the most amazing experience.
Speaker 3:I felt as if I heard something come from my passenger seat that said these words no-transcript and I looked as if someone had just said that to me and I realized in that moment I had achieved awesomeness. If becoming Charlie Brown is what your target was, I had literally become that kid and I was beating the snot out of myself day in and day out. How many of us do that? I always ask that on stage to my audience. How many of you guys talk to yourselves? A couple of hands go up. I say well, those that aren't raising their hands are saying I don't know, do I talk to myself? You just did it right, and it's a sign of genius, by the way. But third, be careful what you tell yourself, because you might believe it. Because what killed Heath Ledger the Joker? He couldn't get out of that role and I was stuck in Charlie Brown. So I realized that comment I heard, and I literally heard it. I said, okay, hang up the yellow shirt, you know. And I did, and I became Nathan Osmond again.
Speaker 3:And I learned that we play different roles in this world. Be careful which role you want to take on, because it could change you and it could kill you. Just find balance, learn to turn it off. That's what Donnie said after those three hours on his couch. He says, nate, in life, we're either in the black or the white. Here's my advice to you Live in the gray, you see, because he was going through something like these panic attacks and he was asked to sing the national anthem at the San Francisco 49ers game, and it was right.
Speaker 3:When he was hitting like a panic attack, they had a keyboard out there. And here he is, ladies and gentlemen, donny Osmond. He goes walking out on the field. And as he's walking out on the field, to top everything else off, here's this big group of guys with red and white jerseys who go boo right and that just, oh, it just killed him. And they don't know what he's going through. And here he's just got to put on that face. But I got still. And, nathan, I took charge of my situation, I walked myself through it. Oh say, can you see?
Speaker 3:And he held that chord and he paused Is something wrong by the dawn's early light? And now Jerry Rice, who wasn't paying attention, is now paying attention. Steve Young, who was over there, who wasn't paying attention, is now paying attention. What so proudly we hailed, he's just owning every note of that song. And then he gets to the high notes and the land of the brave, and just everyone went nuts and he nailed it and as he's walking off he felt so good. See, that's what Frank sinatra used to do. He come out on stage and he just own it. He did the bands playing, everyone's cheering and he doesn't say a word for like two minutes. He grabs a drink, takes a drink, he goes.
Speaker 1:Thank, you for coming out tonight.
Speaker 3:He owned it. That's what donnie did in that moment and he said nathan, I felt so good having gone through that, walked myself through the steps and then, right before I got off the side of the field, I looked at those guys in those red jerseys and I said he said they all laughed and I learned to laugh at myself. You got to learn to laugh at yourself. Donnie said be careful of being around. Yes, man, you learn that in business. Oh, you're the best, you're the greatest. You could do nothing wrong. Baloney, don't be around negative people, but be around honest people have thick skin, cause not everybody's going to like you in this business and you have to be okay with that. Your wife's not always going to like you. Now listen to her but everybody else their opinion of you doesn't matter.
Speaker 3:Les Brown, who you probably listened to, he was on my podcast and he he was labeled the DT, the dumb twin. He was born on the floor of an abandoned building in Miami, in Liberty City, and he was just labeled and his teacher pulled him up in the front of the room and he says all right, les, I want you to do this math problem. I can't do that. I can't do that. Why not, les? Because I'm educational mental retarded. He said who told you that? Right, and he got down on his level. He said to him this changed, les Brown. He says somebody's opinion of you does not have to become your reality. And so he'd pass that on to me. He's.
Speaker 3:I had some great coaches, you know, from Les Brown to Andy Andrews. I've just been so honored to rub shoulders. And it was that whole seminar world I was in that. I became the mc and I introduced all these people on stage donald drum, junior ivanka, you name it, I uh. Kevin o'leary, george foreman, tony rock. They became my friends. I would travel on planes with these guys. That's cool.
Speaker 3:I look at that as such great opportunity and, once again, that's not normal, but I just hope what they taught me to my listeners and I'm grateful I can share some of that wisdom here. But the point is, do I have so much more to learn? Yeah, oh yeah, I'm so grateful for every day I'm reading books. Every day I'm listening to podcasts. I'm continuously trying to improve, because am I where I want to be yet? Nope, but guess what? I'm a work in progress. I tell my wife that you know that I'm. I'm working on me. You know she is such a talent when it comes to real estate and like designing and building. She was raised by a builder and has she's like Chip and Joanna in one Right. And that's why I tell people, that's why she married me, because I'm her fixer upper Right. She saw what I could be, not what I am, and that's how we need to see our children as well.
Speaker 3:When they make mistakes, love them. Love them through it. Don't take it personally. It's hard not to when you're their parent. You think it's an embarrassment to you. No, it's not. This is their chapter. This is what they're writing right now. Now, am I doing all I possibly can to teach my children? If not, then fix that and, just like in your spousal relationship, be a great listener with your children and, at the same time, learn to be empathetic, because I've never been a dad before this life. Right, this is my first time. I'm a pioneer and I'm trying to learn from those around me, but I make mistakes, and we all do so. If we'll just be a little bit more forgiving of our spouse, of our children, of ourselves, and learn to love ourselves a little bit more, because if he can love us, why can't we love ourselves? And that's that was my takeaway from that Charlie Brown moment.
Speaker 2:I feel like we've gotten, uh, like coaching, entertainment, entertainment like vulnerable moments. Every question that I had to ask you. It's like I talk a lot. No, he's answering the question that I had for him. So what an amazing like download that you've given us today. Thanks for being vulnerable about what's going on with Nathan. Um, thanks for being vulnerable, uh, about what's going on with Nathan, and I think that that license to be open about the realness of life really helps a lot of people when they say, hey, you know, everybody's trying to figure this out, yeah, and uh, nobody's been, nobody's been on this earth dealing with what this risk got until this morning. Yeah, and we're all trying to do our best and give it ourselves a little bit of grace. So, thank you, very cool to have you here and be entertained. There's not a lot of people that I listen to that I'm like entertained. While I'm listening to them, I'm usually engaged, but entertained as a as a different level. So, thanks.
Speaker 3:I appreciate it. That's, I used to be so shy, isn't that weird? Yeah, I doubt that my father saved the show.
Speaker 2:It was a long, long time ago. It was in 86. Good morning America.
Speaker 3:This guy froze when Joan London said so, nathan, do you enjoy this entertainment business? Yes, ma'am, that's all he said on the whole show. So my father jumps in and says oh yeah, the boys, they do this. And then, as we're walking out of that studio in New York City, he puts his arm around me. He says Nathan, it's a talk show. Talk. People want to hear what you have to say. And that changed me, because I was embarrassed on one hand, but my hero said people want to hear what you have to say. And I believed him. So if you don't believe in you right now, sometimes you just got to find someone that believes in you and believe in somebody else's belief in you until your own belief kicks in.
Speaker 2:That's the last thing I'm going to say. Well, I'm going to ask you one more question. Oh, okay, what do you think it means to be a gentleman?
Speaker 3:Oh, wow means to be a gentleman. Oh, wow, that is a great question. I think a gentleman is someone on someone that's mad enough to know he doesn't know it all. I meet a lot of know-it-alls in this business and in this world and I love what Socrates said. He says the more I know, the more I know I don't know and that came from Socrates Now that's a humble giant right there because he knew a lot.
Speaker 3:But I think that the more we admit that I don't know everything but I want to and we become better listeners, with kindness, leading our family in righteousness and with love unfeigned, I think that a gentleman is someone that puts himself last. It's not that he thinks less of himself, but he just thinks of himself less. A gentleman is one that sees a need and feels a need. Someone that takes the time to help a grandmother across the street or to help a child with their homework. You know who's not too busy to be involved in their child or their spouse's life. I think a gentleman is someone that sees the big picture and admits that he is wrong when he is, and also is man enough to appreciate the successes along the way without letting it go to his head.
Speaker 3:My Uncle, donnie, is a great gentleman. You know he was bigger than Justin Bieber of his day and has every reason to tout his horn and he doesn't. And I've learned a lot from my safe person and my father, who was right there with him. He was Donnie's coach. You know he used to say, donnie, come over to this side of the stage because he could see it from a different perspective. That's why coaching is so important. That's why podcasts are so important. We can. If you just took one thing from this interview, hopefully it will help change your life for the better. But a gentleman is someone, says his piece and then is seated, and so I'm going to do that right now.
Speaker 2:I've talked too much, but thank you for having me on the show. I appreciate it. Yeah, if, uh, if, they want to follow your podcast?
Speaker 3:yes, achieving awesomeness now available on all platforms, all platforms, and if you want to come experience achieving awesomeness now summit, we're going to host it May 16th of the 18th. It's going to be at the homestead in midway, utah. I got my parents coming to speak. I've got donnie's son chris is going to be there, eric, who's jay's son's going to talk about physical health, brandon boyd's going to be there. We got lindsey coleman, who survived five different types of cancers. You know all these guys have been on my show, which is awesome. We're bringing're bringing in Tony Acosta. We've got them swimming at the crater across the street. It's just going to be three days of motivation, inspiration and all things awesome, with great food too. So I just would love to invite people to come up. If you want to get tickets they're almost sold out but just email my manager, denise Copel, and her email address is achievingawesomenessnow at gmailcom and address is achievingawesomenessnow at gmailcom and she'll give you all the information Very cool.
Speaker 2:Thank you. Thank you, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 1:Thank you so much.
Speaker 2:And thanks everybody for listening and joining us and spending time with us today. If you like this podcast, make sure you share it with somebody that you love and somebody's name popped into your head that you think might need to hear some of the things that Nathan talked about today. Don't hesitate, forward it on to them and tell them that you love them and that you thought about them today.
Speaker 1:That makes a world of difference in somebody's day. I'm Kirk Chug. I'm Corey Moore. Thanks everyone.
